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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160226456" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160226456">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:00)</a>:</h4>
<p>Hey <span class="user-group-mention" data-user-group-id="1095">@WG-compiler-meta</span>, shall we sync up a bit?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160226494" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160226494">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:00)</a>:</h4>
<p>BTW, I'd like to propose some general structure for this meeting (and one that I'm trying to move towards generally)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160226533" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160226533">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:01)</a>:</h4>
<p>basically I think we should have a paper doc where we note the "action items" from the previous meeting, and we can briefly follow-up on them, and then (if needed) craft new ones for next time?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160226548" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160226548">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:01)</a>:</h4>
<p>this is a bit different from how we've used said paper docs in the past</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160226573" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160226573">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:01)</a>:</h4>
<p>i.e., not so much "everybody say what they did", but more like "everybody say if they did the thing and have an idea for what to do next" :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160226648" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160226648">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:02)</a>:</h4>
<p>(I'm mostly imagining paper doc because it's so easy to edit, doesn't have to be that)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160226703" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160226703">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:02)</a>:</h4>
<p><a href="https://paper.dropbox.com/doc/meta-working-group-planning--AY7oI491k3Ku4aRCH_6D2BAZAg-09U5endyK7vaoQhaiQ7TI" target="_blank" title="https://paper.dropbox.com/doc/meta-working-group-planning--AY7oI491k3Ku4aRCH_6D2BAZAg-09U5endyK7vaoQhaiQ7TI">here is a link to a paper document</a></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160226706" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> davidtwco <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160226706">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:02)</a>:</h4>
<p>I could see that working.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160226771" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160226771">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:03)</a>:</h4>
<p>in general I like Trello a lot :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160226781" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160226781">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:03)</a>:</h4>
<p>there are other tools like that</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160226804" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> davidtwco <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160226804">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:03)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think Paper is sufficient.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160226816" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160226816">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:03)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think more generally i'd like to have a setup where each person in the WG has a "theme"</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160226837" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160226837">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:03)</a>:</h4>
<p>and they are kind of guiding it forward</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160226887" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160226887">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:04)</a>:</h4>
<p>maybe not <em>each person</em></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160226900" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> davidtwco <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160226900">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:04)</a>:</h4>
<p>Everyone is already using it.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160226909" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160226909">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:04)</a>:</h4>
<p>maybe more like: as a WG we pick some themes</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160226920" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160226920">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:04)</a>:</h4>
<p>basically goals</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160226945" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160226945">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:04)</a>:</h4>
<p>perhaps aligned to the 6-week release cycle, if we wanted to do something more "sprint-like"</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160226980" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160226980">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:05)</a>:</h4>
<p>As far as Trello goes, like <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116107">@davidtwco</span> I'm inclined to try not to mess so much with new tools just yet</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160226998" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160226998">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:05)</a>:</h4>
<p>though I am open at some point to finding better ones</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160227018" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160227018">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:05)</a>:</h4>
<p>anyway, this is what we had from last time (I put it in the paper)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160227029" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160227029">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:05)</a>:</h4>
<p>[ ] Santiago Pastorino to handle the expert's list.<br>
[ ] davidtwco to handle writing up whatever policies he can think of.<br>
[ ] nikomatsakis to work on initial group of journeypeople and then all of us (we should make a shared document for this) to come up with the unresolved questions that we want to pose to the compiler team about journeypeople?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160227038" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> davidtwco <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160227038">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:05)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think it makes sense, just like do everywhere else with bugs, to assign someone to tasks/themes and have that person follow through with what's required for it.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160227060" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160227060">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:05)</a>:</h4>
<p>right -- it's just lower overhead than creating GH issues</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160227075" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> davidtwco <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160227075">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:05)</a>:</h4>
<p>Yeah.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160227133" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160227133">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:06)</a>:</h4>
<p>I guess something we could do now is try to pick the specific goals, it seems to me we implicitly have a few in mind</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160227157" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160227157">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:06)</a>:</h4>
<p>e.g., "finalize crate policy", "put in place a journeyperson role", "establish expert list"</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160227199" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160227199">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:06)</a>:</h4>
<p>maybe we should just take those as our first 3 goals :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160227206" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> davidtwco <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160227206">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:07)</a>:</h4>
<p>There are a few obvious priorities from our ideas list based on what other working groups need and what we've been discussing.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160227236" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160227236">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:07)</a>:</h4>
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<p>maybe we should just take those as our first 3 goals :)</p>
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<p>yes, I think this is fine</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160227239" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160227239">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:07)</a>:</h4>
<p>yeah, I was thinking it'd be useful to turn those into "future goals"</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160227245" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160227245">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:07)</a>:</h4>
<p>though i'm open to reordering</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160227260" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160227260">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:07)</a>:</h4>
<p>I suppose a goal could be to fill out the goals list :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160227281" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160227281">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:07)</a>:</h4>
<p>specifically, I think that the "crate policy" is .. reasonably close to done, at least as done as we can make it</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160227309" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> davidtwco <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160227309">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:08)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think so, we can always make changes after it lands.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160227360" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160227360">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:08)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<p>specifically, I think that the "crate policy" is .. reasonably close to done, at least as done as we can make it</p>
</blockquote>
<p>actually, that's not quite true</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160227378" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160227378">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:08)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think the main thing missing is trying to integrate bug tracking across crates into our triage process</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160227383" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> davidtwco <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160227383">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:08)</a>:</h4>
<p>There's still the fleshing out of how to propose out-of-tree crates that came out of the weekly meeting to add.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160227490" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160227490">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:09)</a>:</h4>
<p>yes</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160227556" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160227556">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:10)</a>:</h4>
<p>so maybe those are 2 good goals for this week?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160227582" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160227582">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:10)</a>:</h4>
<ul>
<li>add out of tree crates proposal</li>
<li>propose queries and things to search issues across org</li>
</ul>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160227585" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160227585">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:10)</a>:</h4>
<p>the latter is probably pretty easy :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160227593" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160227593">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:10)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think it's probabyl just extending our labeling scheme to search across the whole rust-lang org</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160227600" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160227600">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:10)</a>:</h4>
<p>but also maybe editing the recommendations to suggest creating the relevant labels</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160227602" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> davidtwco <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160227602">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:10)</a>:</h4>
<p>I'm also interested in what we can do to help get all the working groups up and running and making progress. Diagnostics and MIR Opt are the only two w/out a page in the repo. But there's probably more we can do to try and ensure the groups are successful.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160227627" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160227627">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:11)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<p>I'm also interested in what we can do to help get all the working groups up and running and making progress. Diagnostics and MIR Opt are the only two w/out a page in the repo. But there's probably more we can do to try and ensure the groups are successful.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>yes, very much this</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160227630" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160227630">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:11)</a>:</h4>
<p>let's return to that theme</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160227651" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> davidtwco <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160227651">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:11)</a>:</h4>
<p>I can add those to the policy pretty quickly, I wouldn't make it a big goal for the week, just finishing off last week's goals.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160227655" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160227655">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:11)</a>:</h4>
<p>maybe at N:20 (where N is current hour in your time zone)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160227665" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160227665">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:11)</a>:</h4>
<p>I have thoughts but I'd like to look at the other goals first</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160227691" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160227691">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:11)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<p>I can add those to the policy pretty quickly, I wouldn't make it a big goal for the week, just finishing off last week's goals.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>let's list it, it's just a "small goal" :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160227803" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160227803">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:12)</a>:</h4>
<p>so onto the Expert Map</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160227819" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160227819">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:12)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116266">@Santiago Pastorino</span> got the ball rolling, what is next step? I haven't looked at it recently</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160227840" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160227840">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:13)</a>:</h4>
<p>it seems like maybe we just want to add it to the repo?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160227849" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160227849">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:13)</a>:</h4>
<p>or maybe it should live forever in a hackmd</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160227855" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160227855">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:13)</a>:</h4>
<p>so that it is readily altered?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160227861" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160227861">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:13)</a>:</h4>
<p>but we should link to it</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160227901" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160227901">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:13)</a>:</h4>
<p>we probably want to figure out where to <em>talk about it</em> so that it is useful</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160227916" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160227916">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:13)</a>:</h4>
<p>e.g., maybe we want to reference it in the rustc-guide as part of the "contributing to rust" thing?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160227966" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> davidtwco <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160227966">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:14)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<p>so that it is readily altered?</p>
</blockquote>
<p>I reckon it'll end up being edited somewhat infrequently, but I'm not sure it is at that point yet.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160227975" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160227975">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:14)</a>:</h4>
<p>maybe we should just add that to the repo</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160227977" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160227977">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:14)</a>:</h4>
<p>yeah</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160228019" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160228019">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:14)</a>:</h4>
<p>I propose we do this</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160228022" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160228022">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:14)</a>:</h4>
<p>make a page on the compiler-team repo</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160228030" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160228030">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:14)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<p>so that it is readily altered?</p>
</blockquote>
<p>I reckon it'll end up being edited somewhat infrequently, but I'm not sure it is at that point yet.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>yeah it won't be edited that much</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160228036" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160228036">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:15)</a>:</h4>
<p>that currently contains a "redirect" to hackmd</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160228062" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160228062">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:15)</a>:</h4>
<p>something like this:</p>
<p>While we toy with its structure, the expert map lives in this hackmd document</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160228068" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160228068">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:15)</a>:</h4>
<p>then we can link to the repo :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160228080" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160228080">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:15)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<p>that currently contains a "redirect" to hackmd</p>
</blockquote>
<p>seems pragmatic :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160228090" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> davidtwco <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160228090">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:15)</a>:</h4>
<p>That sounds good to me.</p>



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<p>good to me too</p>



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<p>ok so </p>
<ul>
<li>create page on repo that houses expert map</li>
<li>add reference to it in the rustc-guide and maybe other appropriate places</li>
</ul>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160228198" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160228198">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:16)</a>:</h4>
<p>re: the journeyperson role:</p>



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<p>(we're done with expert map, right?)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160228242" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> davidtwco <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160228242">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:16)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think so, I assume <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116266">@Santiago Pastorino</span> will continue to lead work on it?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160228334" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160228334">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:17)</a>:</h4>
<p>I drew up an initial list of suggested names (both of you are on it ;) and sent mail to compiler-team mailing list. So far no objections. ;) I gave people a bit of time to respond but I don't anticipate any objections. <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116266">@Santiago Pastorino</span> took notes on what we said last time. I think maybe a good next step is to try and create a more specific "proposal". It might be good for me to do that (as a member of the compiler team)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160228353" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160228353">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:17)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<p>I think so, I assume <span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="116266">Santiago Pastorino</span> will continue to lead work on it?</p>
</blockquote>
<p>this was my assumption :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160228457" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160228457">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:18)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<p>I think so, I assume <span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="116266">Santiago Pastorino</span> will continue to lead work on it?</p>
</blockquote>
<p>talking about expert map?, yeah I can follow with this plan</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160228497" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> davidtwco <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160228497">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:19)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<p>I think maybe a good next step is to try and create a more specific "proposal". It might be good for me to do that (as a member of the compiler team)</p>
</blockquote>
<p>That makes sense.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160228638" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160228638">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:20)</a>:</h4>
<p>OK</p>



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<p>Oh, could one of you add a link to <a href="https://paper.dropbox.com/doc/meta-working-group-planning--AY7oI491k3Ku4aRCH_6D2BAZAg-09U5endyK7vaoQhaiQ7TI" target="_blank" title="https://paper.dropbox.com/doc/meta-working-group-planning--AY7oI491k3Ku4aRCH_6D2BAZAg-09U5endyK7vaoQhaiQ7TI">the dropbox paper</a> into the compiler team repository?</p>



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<p>that is, in the <code>working-groups/meta/README.md</code> or something</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160228708" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160228708">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:21)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<p>I'm also interested in what we can do to help get all the working groups up and running and making progress. Diagnostics and MIR Opt are the only two w/out a page in the repo. But there's probably more we can do to try and ensure the groups are successful.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>to return to this</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160228717" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160228717">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:21)</a>:</h4>
<p>(unless there is something else)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160228727" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160228727">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:21)</a>:</h4>
<p>I've been reflecting on what it takes to run a working group, which is a theme we've touched upon</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160228731" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160228731">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:21)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<p>that is, in the <code>working-groups/meta/README.md</code> or something</p>
</blockquote>
<p>you want to link the dropbox paper from the repo? or did I understand that wrong?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160228736" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160228736">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:21)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think we definitely should be giving people more structure to start with</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160228741" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160228741">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:21)</a>:</h4>
<p>can do that</p>



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<p>but also I was thinking that the hardest part</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160228756" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160228756">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:21)</a>:</h4>
<p>is often "breaking the task down"</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160228767" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160228767">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:22)</a>:</h4>
<p>this is sometimes a matter of knowing the code very well, where to refactor etc</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160228819" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160228819">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:22)</a>:</h4>
<p>but I think it's also a matter of doing planning, which is something that frankly is really dang hard</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160228834" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160228834">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:22)</a>:</h4>
<p>yes</p>



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<p>I was wondering about trying to make a kind of public call for Project Managers or other people who are interested in getting involved</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160228863" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160228863">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:22)</a>:</h4>
<p>e.g. over the Rust All Hands, many mornings <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="132906">@Jonathan Turner</span> and I would sit down and talk over strategy for compiler team etc, and it was really helpful to have someone to talk things out with in terms of planning, even though he didn't know the particulars</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160228865" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160228865">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:22)</a>:</h4>
<p>just the willingness of doing something is not enough</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160228883" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> davidtwco <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160228883">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:23)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think there are two key things here: </p>
<ul>
<li>Having a concrete goal to work toward and rally around.</li>
<li>Initial activity and attracting some people to get involved. Once there are interested participants and things going on, I reckon a WG can be somewhat self-sustaining.<br>
     - I'm not sure how useful it is, but I'm drawing a comparison to making a starter for pizza dough when I think of this, I don't expect that will be a useful analogy for many though.</li>
</ul>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160228885" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160228885">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:23)</a>:</h4>
<p>this kind of stuff needs planning, needs to have someone focused, needs leadership among other things</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160228887" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160228887">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:23)</a>:</h4>
<p>(I'm always on the lookout for non-coding roles)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160228902" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160228902">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:23)</a>:</h4>
<p>yes to what both of you wrote :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160229016" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160229016">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:24)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<p>I'm not sure how useful it is, but I'm drawing a comparison to making a starter for pizza dough, I don't expect that will be a useful analogy for many though.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>lol</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160229021" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160229021">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:24)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<p>e.g. over the Rust All Hands, many mornings <span class="user-mention silent" data-user-id="132906">Jonathan Turner</span> and I would sit down and talk over strategy for compiler team etc, and it was really helpful to have someone to talk things out with in terms of planning, even though he didn't know the particulars</p>
</blockquote>
<p>yes this is useful</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160229023" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160229023">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:24)</a>:</h4>
<p>my sense <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116107">@davidtwco</span> is that the self-sustaining part is only partly right actually</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160229030" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160229030">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:24)</a>:</h4>
<p>e.g., with NLL, something I think we could have done more of</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160229038" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160229038">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:24)</a>:</h4>
<p>is periodically making a "renewed call for participation"</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160229055" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160229055">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:25)</a>:</h4>
<p>basically, each time you do that, some number of people show up, most wind up not doing very much, but some stick around</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160229066" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160229066">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:25)</a>:</h4>
<p>but I guess it also depends on the scale</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160229072" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160229072">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:25)</a>:</h4>
<p>NLL was somewhat exceptional</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160229085" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160229085">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:25)</a>:</h4>
<p>and, it's worth saying, I'm not sure how many more people we could have productively engaged</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160229094" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160229094">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:25)</a>:</h4>
<p>so maybe it worked out just fine</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160229108" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> davidtwco <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160229108">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:25)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think you're absolutely right. I think what I'm thinking is that once you get enough of those folks that stay around, you've got a self-sustaining wg (to some extent).</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160229113" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160229113">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:25)</a>:</h4>
<p>I guess it will depend anywy</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160229122" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160229122">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:25)</a>:</h4>
<p>yeah so I was kind of imagining it'd be interesting to try and get a few folks together</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160229129" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160229129">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:26)</a>:</h4>
<p>who are interestd in helping people out as needed</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160229135" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160229135">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:26)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<p>and, it's worth saying, I'm not sure how many more people we could have productively engaged</p>
</blockquote>
<p>I wonder, how many left working and more importantly why did they?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160229171" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160229171">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:26)</a>:</h4>
<p>particularly the beginning of the WG</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160229176" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160229176">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:26)</a>:</h4>
<p>but perhaps in the middle too</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160229185" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160229185">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:26)</a>:</h4>
<p>e.g., when you reach end of a plan and need to do more</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160229200" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> davidtwco <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160229200">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:26)</a>:</h4>
<p>One of the main reasons I wanted a big, difficult-to-edit table of working groups, was so we had somewhere to point interested people to say "here's all the places you can pick from to get involved" - I distinctly remember that table from the impl period when I was getting started.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160229204" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160229204">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:26)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<blockquote>
<p>and, it's worth saying, I'm not sure how many more people we could have productively engaged</p>
</blockquote>
<p>I wonder, how many left working and more importantly why did they?</p>
</blockquote>
<p>I know it may be hard to answer</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160229205" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160229205">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:26)</a>:</h4>
<p>anyway, that was one thought I had, but I suspect there are simpler things :) e.g., writing out more advice</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160229240" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160229240">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:27)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<p>One of the main reasons I wanted a big, difficult-to-edit table of working groups, was so we had somewhere to point interested people to say "here's all the places you can pick from to get involved" - I distinctly remember that table from the impl period when I was getting started.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>yes, a big central table has been one of my key desires for a while now</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160229241" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> davidtwco <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160229241">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:27)</a>:</h4>
<p>Before you invite all those people, you need to have a bunch of issues ready to start handing out.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160229244" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160229244">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:27)</a>:</h4>
<p>but I do think that table is a pain to edit :P</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160229253" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160229253">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:27)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<p>Before you invite all those people, you need to have a bunch of issues ready to start handing out.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>yes..</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160229290" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> davidtwco <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160229290">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:27)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think we're mostly in agreement, what concrete things can we do to try help this?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160229302" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160229302">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:28)</a>:</h4>
<p>(About the table: I wonder if we can either slim it down <em>or</em> make it auto-generated from some easier-to-edit metadata <em>or</em> move it to a google docs spreadsheet or something, maybe embedded?)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160229342" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160229342">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:28)</a>:</h4>
<p>Yeah, that's the question</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160229371" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> davidtwco <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160229371">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:28)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<p>(About the table: I wonder if we can either slim it down <em>or</em> make it auto-generated from some easier-to-edit metadata <em>or</em> move it to a google docs spreadsheet or something, maybe embedded?)</p>
</blockquote>
<p>I think we can probably cut some columns to stuff that new contributors would find useful.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160229375" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160229375">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:28)</a>:</h4>
<p>First, it suggests a "goal" that is not on our list, which is getting the "how to run a wg document"</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160229380" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Cem Karan <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160229380">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:28)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<p>I was wondering about trying to make a kind of public call for Project Managers or other people who are interested in getting involved</p>
</blockquote>
<p>This is going to be a really important role, and will likely take a lot of time.  The PM needs to make sure that everyone has tasks that they can accomplish, in addition to working towards a goal.  This is a full-time job.  How many people are there that are currently paid to work on rust that can take on this role?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160229415" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160229415">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:29)</a>:</h4>
<p>not many</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160229427" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160229427">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:29)</a>:</h4>
<p>I don't know though that it's going to take that much time</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160229439" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160229439">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:29)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think it depends</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160229470" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160229470">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:29)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think sometimes you will have people who are eager to do the setup, but need help getting started</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160229480" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Cem Karan <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160229480">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:29)</a>:</h4>
<p>Well, having the issues list is a good start, but being a good PM also means knowing how to break tasks down.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160229558" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Cem Karan <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160229558">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:30)</a>:</h4>
<p>And it means knowing who is doing what, and what each person is good at.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160229563" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160229563">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:30)</a>:</h4>
<p>let me put it this way, I think it will take time, but I don't think it is something that can only be done by a  full time hire</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160229570" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160229570">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:30)</a>:</h4>
<p>any more than refactoring the compiler is</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160229586" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Cem Karan <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160229586">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:30)</a>:</h4>
<p>No, you're right, it can be done by others.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160229603" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Cem Karan <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160229603">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:30)</a>:</h4>
<p>Do you know of anyone with the skills to be a good PM?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160229613" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160229613">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:30)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<p>Well, having the issues list is a good start, but being a good PM also means knowing how to break tasks down.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>this would be an untraditional PM role, also, because you're not working in a fixed domain with a fixed team</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160229619" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> davidtwco <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160229619">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:30)</a>:</h4>
<p>Knowing what each person is good at is really difficult when it is a fluid group of people who come and go.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160229652" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Cem Karan <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160229652">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:31)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<p>Knowing what each person is good at is really difficult when it is a fluid group of people who come and go.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>My point exactly!</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160229653" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160229653">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:31)</a>:</h4>
<p>Perhaps community organizing is a good metaphor ;)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160229667" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160229667">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:31)</a>:</h4>
<p>Regardless, I think it's an exciting idea, and I bet we can get people excited to try and figure out how to do it</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160229685" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Cem Karan <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160229685">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:31)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<p>Regardless, I think it's an exciting idea, and I bet we can get people excited to try and figure out how to do it</p>
</blockquote>
<p>I agree!</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160229686" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160229686">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:31)</a>:</h4>
<p>as far as paid people, it's basically all I am doing these days ;) but I thikn I'd like help too!</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160229692" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160229692">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:31)</a>:</h4>
<p>(i.e., it's not something I consider myself very good at)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160229746" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160229746">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:32)</a>:</h4>
<p>but I was really impressed with how helpful a "rubber duck" can be for this</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160229750" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160229750">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:32)</a>:</h4>
<p>which is part of what gives me hope</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160229753" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Cem Karan <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160229753">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:32)</a>:</h4>
<p>Have you considered talking to any nearby business schools?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160229759" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160229759">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:32)</a>:</h4>
<p>I am :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160229761" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> davidtwco <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160229761">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:32)</a>:</h4>
<p>WG leads will get an idea for it when people contribute regularly, but there will only ever be a handful of these people in a given working group (unless we do really well). Contributors also aren't working on the WG full-time, so things will move slower and it'll be easier to keep track of.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160229763" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160229763">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:32)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<p>Regardless, I think it's an exciting idea, and I bet we can get people excited to try and figure out how to do it</p>
</blockquote>
<p>yes, it's a very interesting challenge</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160229766" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160229766">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:32)</a>:</h4>
<p>I imagine the actual breakdown of tasks and stuff will be driven by the WG leads</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160229782" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160229782">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:32)</a>:</h4>
<p>anyway, let's turn from this PM question for a second, to smaller things</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160229800" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Cem Karan <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160229800">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:33)</a>:</h4>
<p>OK, then the WG leads are what I think of as PMs</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160229812" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160229812">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:33)</a>:</h4>
<p>(yeah, I'm basically proposing "training" for them I think)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160229825" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160229825">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:33)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think there are two distinct things here:</p>
<ul>
<li>helping specific WGs</li>
<li>helping build framework</li>
</ul>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160229840" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160229840">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:33)</a>:</h4>
<p>I feel like it's a good idea to try to start with specifics, usually</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160229911" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160229911">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:34)</a>:</h4>
<p>yes</p>



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<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116107">@davidtwco</span> you mentioned a few WGs in the beginning you thought maybe could use some assistance getting started, we could reach out to said folks, not sure? (not trying to "point fingers" here or anything)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160229937" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160229937">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:34)</a>:</h4>
<p>then from specifics you can start building a framework for that</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160229938" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> davidtwco <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160229938">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:34)</a>:</h4>
<p>Yeah, one goal of this WG should be to lay some foundations so that WG leads, normally compiler team members who are (presumably) primarily interested in hacking on the compiler, aren't bogged down too much with the administrative side of things.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160229964" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160229964">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:35)</a>:</h4>
<p>I do however think we know enough to sketch <em>some</em> kind of advice</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160229981" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160229981">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:35)</a>:</h4>
<p>(basically a lot of the things we said so far at this meeting)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160229992" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Cem Karan <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160229992">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:35)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<p>Yeah, one goal of this WG should be to lay some foundations so that WG leads, normally compiler team members who are (presumably) primarily interested in hacking on the compiler, aren't bogged down too much with the administrative side of things.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>This is one of the reasons why I think getting students in a business school involved might be a way to go...</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160230006" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160230006">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:35)</a>:</h4>
<p>(breaking down tasks, call for people when you know what you want  them to do)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160230017" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> davidtwco <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160230017">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:35)</a>:</h4>
<p>I think all of the working groups (except perhaps RLS 2.0 because it has some established contributor base already - like a dough starter, if I'm going to keep that analogy going) are in that situation, by virtue of the fact they've all just been started.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160230033" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160230033">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:35)</a>:</h4>
<p>well maybe conducting a kind of "survey" of the state</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160230103" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160230103">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:36)</a>:</h4>
<p>e.g., I think that the rfc-2229 is doing "ok", though it's not really in a state to grow more contributors (which might not be a problem)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160230112" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160230112">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:36)</a>:</h4>
<p>self-profile is similar</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160230131" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160230131">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:36)</a>:</h4>
<p>traits is in the "figure out the tasks" stage</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160230164" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> davidtwco <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160230164">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:37)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<p>self-profile is similar</p>
</blockquote>
<p>That's definitely true. I forgot about the activity there. <span aria-label="face palm" class="emoji emoji-1f926" role="img" title="face palm">:face_palm:</span></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160230172" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160230172">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:37)</a>:</h4>
<p>llvm could probably use to write down some initial goals -- I think it was always envisioned as a bit slower and more open-ended</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160230199" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160230199">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:37)</a>:</h4>
<p>async-await is doing pretty good, in the sense that we have triage and a vague plan, though we need to write out more instructions and/or open a few PRs :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160230206" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160230206">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:37)</a>:</h4>
<p>nll is doing well because it pre-exists</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160230216" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160230216">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:37)</a>:</h4>
<p>mir-opt &lt;-- this might be a place where more def'n is needed</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160230229" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> davidtwco <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160230229">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:37)</a>:</h4>
<blockquote>
<p>async-await is doing pretty good, in the sense that we have triage and a vague plan, though we need to write out more instructions and/or open a few PRs <span aria-label="slight smile" class="emoji emoji-1f642" role="img" title="slight smile">:slight_smile:</span></p>
</blockquote>
<p>I intend to work my assigned issue from this WG after the meeting.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160230235" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160230235">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:38)</a>:</h4>
<p>polonius &lt;-- similar, I'm basically hoping we start to get more of that today</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160230303" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160230303">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:38)</a>:</h4>
<p>profile-guided-optimization &lt;-- I <em>think</em> this is presently an "<span class="user-mention" data-user-id="124287">@mw</span> special" and that's kind of ok</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160230323" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160230323">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:38)</a>:</h4>
<p>that's my vague summary of the state of things, apologies if I misrepresented anything</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160230345" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> davidtwco <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160230345">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:39)</a>:</h4>
<p>Diagnostics has been blocked, I think, by a name.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160230355" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160230355">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:39)</a>:</h4>
<p>heh oh dear!</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160230364" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160230364">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:39)</a>:</h4>
<p>I forgot about that</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160230372" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160230372">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:39)</a>:</h4>
<p>lol</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160230436" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> davidtwco <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160230436">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:40)</a>:</h4>
<p>I'm still not sure what our to-do for this week w/r/t working groups is though.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160230499" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160230499">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:40)</a>:</h4>
<p>I'm not either</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160230522" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160230522">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:40)</a>:</h4>
<p>I guess we could check in with <span class="user-mention" data-user-id="124288">@oli</span> (I could do that) to try and discuss roadmap-y things</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160230560" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160230560">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:41)</a>:</h4>
<p>that's probably enough honestly</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160230567" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160230567">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:41)</a>:</h4>
<p>it's only 1 week :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160230595" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160230595">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:41)</a>:</h4>
<p>(speaking of which, I'd like to do a few other things before my next mtg)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160230710" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160230710">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:42)</a>:</h4>
<p>(something else that's on my mind is the question of "how to announce updates" that I <a href="#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler.2Fwg-meta/topic/announcing.20updates" title="#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler.2Fwg-meta/topic/announcing.20updates">raised over in this topic</a>, but that's probably a good thing for a "future goal")</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160230721" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> davidtwco <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160230721">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:42)</a>:</h4>
<p>Alright. I guess my meta to-do list will be short this week.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160230794" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160230794">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:43)</a>:</h4>
<p><span class="user-mention" data-user-id="116107">@davidtwco</span> if you want, we still have the task of trying to extract goals from our previous brainstorms :)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160230832" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> davidtwco <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160230832">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:43)</a>:</h4>
<p>I can take a look over our idea list and see what is actionable.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160230838" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160230838">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:43)</a>:</h4>
<p>Ah, one thing we need</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160230895" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> davidtwco <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160230895">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:44)</a>:</h4>
<p>I was also trying to find time to go over and collate all the Zulip feedback from here and internals to make issues about.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160230904" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160230904">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:44)</a>:</h4>
<p>We need some way to track which working groups talked at triage and when</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160230922" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160230922">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:44)</a>:</h4>
<p>I'm going to link the dropbox paper to the compiler team doc</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160230923" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160230923">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:44)</a>:</h4>
<p>At least in the current structure, we are sort of "vaguely round-robin", right?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160230955" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160230955">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:44)</a>:</h4>
<p>and about the experts map, do we want to do something with that also?</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160230979" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> davidtwco <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160230979">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:45)</a>:</h4>
<p>There are some action items in the paper doc for that.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160230983" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160230983">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:45)</a>:</h4>
<p>I can imagine many formats for this, but I think somebody should make it</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160230984" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160230984">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:45)</a>:</h4>
<p>we have said the redirect</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160231017" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> davidtwco <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160231017">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:45)</a>:</h4>
<p>I can handle that.</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160231021" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160231021">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:45)</a>:</h4>
<p><span aria-label="+1" class="emoji emoji-1f44d" role="img" title="+1">:+1:</span></p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160231025" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> Santiago Pastorino <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160231025">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:45)</a>:</h4>
<p>saw that now</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160231181" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160231181">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:47)</a>:</h4>
<p>(sorry, I just moved some messages into this topic that I accidentally put in the wrong place, but it makes the log kind of hard to read)</p>



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<h4><a href="https://rust-lang.zulipchat.com#narrow/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting%202019.03.07/near/160231188" class="zl"><img src="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/assets/img/zulip.svg" alt="view this post on Zulip" style="width:20px;height:20px;"></a> nikomatsakis <a href="https://rust-lang.github.io/zulip_archive/stream/185694-t-compiler/wg-meta/topic/meeting.202019.2E03.2E07.html#160231188">(Mar 07 2019 at 19:47)</a>:</h4>
<p>ok, great meeting y'all!</p>



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